Muslims Quran Claims 3
Lets do a recap of what I had presented so far.
In the Muslims’ Quran Claim 1 and 2 I addressed the Muslims’ claimed the Quran is exactly as it was in Muhammad’s lifetime and showed it wasn’t because most of the Quran wasn’t written down but memorized by Muhammad’s followers. In the Battle of Yamama there were 450 Qurras (reciters) killed and Abu Bakr was afraid when more Qurras are killed a large part of the Qur’an MAY BE LOST, This lets me know most of the Quran wasn’t written down but instead memorized. Because of their deaths Part of the Quran was forever lost because those killed took what they memorized with them to the grave destroying the claim the Quran existed during Muhammad’s lifetime as it is now.
The death of those 450 Qurras prompted Abu Bakr to have Zaid collect the Quran and write it down. Zaid at first refused because Muhammad didn’t collect the Quran into one book and this is another fact proving the Quran wasn’t all written down. Zaid said he collected the stones (white) and animal skins and used what Muhammad’s followers had memorized. Zaid couldn’t take one person’s word; using instead 2, 3, or more people that could recite the particular verse. What I like to know is where are those stones and animal skins? I was told once they are had decayed with the passage of time but there are other manuscripts older that 1400 or 1500 years and they are preserved and Stones don’t decay. They can’t present one stone supporting the Quran. Uthman had them all destroyed and the only one survived was the one he Authorized. Therefore Muslims can’t prove the Quran is as the original that was destroyed. Therefore we don’t know if we have the supposed word of allah or the word of Uthman. Who gave Uthman the authority to destroy other Qurans when there were some written by Qurras that had memorized all the Quran and was closer to Muhammad than he was.
What wasn’t supposedly written down were gathered from the Memories of his followers. They tried memorizing as much as they could in honor of Muhammad. The more they memorized the more others looked up to them. Therefore they memorized verses for prestige than anything. Zaid didn’t take one person’s memorized verse or verses. They had to be at least 3 and preferably more before Zaid allowed the verse to be included in the written Quran. Sometimes Zaid allowed two if he felt the verse should be included and two verse of Sura at Tauba was founded with Khuzaima which he had not founded with anybody else and it is in the Quran.
With this information I have problems with the Quran being complete. First off Muslims’ sources said much was lost when the 450 Qurras were killed which prompted the gathering of the Quran and what they knew went to the grave with them. Secondly how do we know all the ones that contributed to the Quran was correct? Some of them could had made it up for the prestige or trying to be accepted by others. Suicide Bombers stated they were one because of the prestige. They think they will always be remember but after awhile they are forgotten as others are. I have problems with the Quran being based upon the Memories of men. Muslims might say there were some written on the ribs of Palm leaves and bark of wood and stones but I have problems with that too. Where are those pieces? They claimed the pieces has decay but what about the stones which don’t decay? Another Problem I have is why did Uthman destroy every other manuscripts existing at that time and made his the only official one. This lets me know all we have are copies of the Uthman Manuscripts and we can’t compare to see what is correct. Think about it!
What did earlier Muslims had to say about the Quran being the same as the one supposedly existed in Muhammad’s life time?
Abdullah b. `Umar the son of the second caliph Umar ibn al-Khattab said the following. — “Let none of you say, “I have got the whole of the Quran.” How does he know what all of it is? MUCH OF THE QURAN HAS GONE. Let him say instead, “I have got what has survived.”‘ (Jalal al Din `Abdul Rahman b. Abi Bakr al Suyuti, al-Itqan fi `ulum al-Qur’an, Halabi, Cairo, 1935/1354, Volume 2, p. 25)
Here is the Arabic for that — حدثنا إسماعيل بن إبراهيم ، عن أيوب ، عن نافع ، عن ابن عمر ، قال : « لا يقولن أحدكم قد أخذت القرآن كله وما يدريه ما كله ؟ قد ذهب منه قرآن كثير ، ولكن ليقل : قد أخذت منه ما ظهر منه
haddathana ‘iismaeil bin ‘iibrahim , ean ‘ayuwb , ean nafie , ean abn eumar , qal : << la yaqulunn ‘ahadakum qad ‘ukhidhat alquran klh wama yudrih ma klh ? qad dhahab minh quran kthyr , walikun lliaqill : qad ‘ukhidhat minh ma zahar minh
There are many earlier sources showing much of the Quran is lost.
Sura 17:1 — سُبْحَانَ ٱلَّذِى Glory be to Him — أَسْرَىٰ بِعَبْدِهِ لَيْلاً Who caused His servant to set forth night — مِّنَ ٱلْمَسْجِدِ ٱلْحَرَامِ from the Masjid al-Haram — إِلَىٰ ٱلْمَسْجِدِ ٱلأَقْصَا to the Masjid al-Aqsa — ٱلَّذِي بَارَكْنَا حَوْلَهُ around which We blessed — لِنُرِيَهُ مِنْ آيَاتِنَآ so that We cause him to see Our signs. — إِنَّهُ هُوَ ٱلسَّمِيعُ ٱلبَصِيرُ Truly, He, He is The Hearing, The Seeing.
This is a verse showing their allah took Muhammad from the mosque in Mecca to the mosque in Jerusalem which is called Al-Aqsa or the Aqusa. This will be address in detail in another message but for now I want to present what God revealed to me about this verse as proof there were things added to the Quran after Uthman. —- The Mosque Al-Aqsa in Jerusalem didn’t exist in Muhammad’s life time. I believe this verse was added to the Quran after the Al-Aqsa was finished in 705 AD by a Muslim wanting to exalt Muhammad. Please note earlier Muslims and their Scholars accepted this trip as truth and than with our knowledge of the past today Muslims had to make up excuses about this verse which I will deal with in another message.
As other Scholars I always looked on this verse as a mistake but at work as I was thinking about this verse, I got the Quran out to read it and God revealed to me this was added to the Quran at a later date after the Mosque was built.
I can go on and on proving the Quran didn’t exist as it is now during Muhammad’s life time. There are too much evidence showing otherwise and when a Muslims try denying the facts they are actually showing how they are grasping at straws trying to keep their religion afloat. They don’t realized they are actually making themselves look dumb in the eyes of the world with their lamebrain excuses.
My prayer is some Muslims will rethink their beliefs and start asking Questions about their Quran instead of just being like a Parrot and only repeat what other5s told them. My prayers are some Muslims will start thinking for themselves.